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10/31/13

Queen Victoria India 1860 telegraph stamp - QV stamps

In May, I saw 4 annas Queen Victoria India 1860 telegraph stamp  (QV stamp) sold for $1185.!! by "mareval2" from UK and bought by "puneetgo" of USA.

This kind of stamps is good for eBay shareholder, because this will make their stock value go up, as they will make about $100 on commission.!! (Disclosure: I am long time eBay shareholder and don't intend to sell in 72 hours.!!)

But now let's see some facts about stamp collections. It's all trick.!! and no treat.!!

Following is Queen Victoria stamps (QV stamps) India 1860 telegraph stamp.!! It's about 150+ years old stamps. Do you think this kind of mint stamp with some regular person and they really want to sell it.

Also it will be very hard to preserve this stamps after 2 world wars all kind of unstable situation around the world, great depression and multiple bad weather in world and not proper way to store this kind of stamps.!!

So what do you think about this MINT stamps of Queen Victoria India 1860 telegraph stamp ?

Do you think it's GENUINE.!!?


But we all know how easy is to print stamps which are very rare (almost none available) and sell it as replica or facsimile stamps. Following is replica stamp and you will not believe this if I did not mentioned this.!!



But I also notice that this replica and facsimile stamp are also sold as genuine.!!!  In past I saw Gandhi SERVICE stamp was for sale $225,000 with forged or reused expertising certificate.

So how can you make sure you are not buying Replica stamps by paying genuine price.!!

1) Don't buy in private transaction
2) Don't buy under catalog value. (but catalog value is overpriced).
3) JUST DON'T COLLECT expensive stamps.!! (best option to avoid it.!)

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http://offer.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&_trksid=p2047675.l2565&rt=nc&item=271197594682


Following is bidding details were 8 bidders bidded on this 4 annas Queen Victoria QV India 1860 telegraph stamp.



But I also saw another Queen Victoria QV India 1860 telegraph stamp selling for $3600, by seller "stamp_bay" from USA.(Disclosure: In past I bought one Gandhi envelope with him/her.!!)

Do you really think this is stamp is worth $3600.!!

Do you really think it's rare stamp.!!? ( In May 2013, only 2 stamps were for auction.!!)


Recently I saw similar type of QV stamp which is replica or facsimile selling for $7.!!  and another was selling for $19000.!!

http://gandhistampsclub.blogspot.com/2013/10/qv-stamps-great-britain-sc-110-stamp.html


So what are chances of Queen Victoria QV India 1860 telegraph stamp also replica or facsimile.?

As I mentioned in my previous blog posts that there are more replica stamps then genuine stamps, because it's very hard to find this stamps as mint or even used after 100+ years.

And if you are new collector and don't know about what's going than you will buy it at very high price.!!

So BEWARE what are you going into.

You will also see all kind of activity to make you that this stamps are really selling on eBay at high price, but in reality it's a SHILL bidding or buyer is not paying to seller, as everyone is involved in this SCAM.!!

Following is my previous blog spot which will explain you about how some of the British India stamps of King Edward stamps, King George stamps etc.

Forgery in stamp collection and philatelic material is nothing new. It has been going around since last 150 years since Penny Black first every stamp issued by Great Britain. But the quantity  and quality of forged stamps we see in today's world is unbelievable.

It's hard which one is REAL and which one is FAKE. And if it is on used cover or register cover with forged postmark cancellation it will be impossible for new or regular collector.!!
In Indian stamps and philately specially in Gandhi collection we have seen lot of forgery stamps and philatelic materials, some of them are following.

1) Forged 1948 India Gandhi stamps
3) Forged 1948 Gandhi Mourning first day cover.(different way to mourn.!!)
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Following is one of the most British India stamp sold as genuine on eBay as Mint or Used.!! Chances of getting this in other type of auction is also very high, because  there are very less people see that auction.

Also showing and giving is some time different.!!


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Reason for King Edward or King George stamps of 25 Rupees is available in replica because it was lot of money in 1902!! 

So to be normal collector it's very rare chances, unless you are from Royal family (King of England) or some high level british officer and they don't sell.!!

Looks like Gandhi stamps and philatelic material have all kinds of Forgery.!!! including Indian Philatelic items such as 1911 First Aerial Mail from Allahabad and 1854 Queen Victoria stamps.!!

But recently I saw some British India stamp from early 1900 of King George and  King Edward on eBay sold or available from $2000 to $250!!  I am not even thinking that following are Forged stamps.

But I think a lot so one of my thinking came out of my mind is "What are the chances of this British India stamps are Forged?".

We all know that in China/Taiwan there are plenty of Forged products of famous brand name are available in plenty and people are buying it at 1/10 price such as Coach, Gucci and Burberry women's purses  are available and lot of other things such as Rolex watches.!! 

All this forged product which required lot of labor work and wide varieties of different materials and machinery to forged this famous products but so don't you think it's easier to just print on piece of paper and then perforated it to make a forged stamp than making all other Forged products.!!?

So what are the chance of this stamps  (PRINTED PAPER).!!!?? (Again I am not saying following are forged British India stamps.) 

Just think what are the chances or possibility of Printed Paper not a stamp.!!

Start thinking about all possible things in order to succeed in philately because technology in printing as well as selling method (SHILL BIDDING) is changed a lot in last 10 years.!!! which is driving the price and quality of Forged stamp which is hard to think that's is forged, which no one can believe it.!!

My personal view about pricing of following British India stamp of King George V and King Edward is INFLATED.  That means it does not deserve this much premium but I think price is jacked up.!!

King George 25 Rupees stamp from India Postage, sold for $291

India 25 Rupees King George V stamp with overprint SERVICE, sold for $222.

King George V 25 Rupees stamps from British India, sold for $250

King Edward postage stamp from British India, sold for $246
King Edward 15 and 25 Rupees Stamp from British India from "Taiwan" for $1990 (still available)

Following are Forgery King Edward and King George stamps KGV stamps from Central Africa and Nigeria. Compare above stamps with this and think what are the chances.




Also you can read my previous blog post about King Edward and Kin George stamps.

http://gandhistampsclub.blogspot.com/2012/10/king-edward-stamp.html

http://gandhistampsclub.blogspot.com/2012/08/india-king-edward-25-rupees-stamp.html

Now you might be wondering what above stamps and following ERROR stamp from India has to do with Gandhi stamps and King George V, King Edward and Queen Victoria philatelic collection.!!

But looking to the price it's sell it make forger to print this and sell it instead of making forged famous product and get caught by that multinational companies.

Where as making forged stamp no one has time to go after them.!! so it's a safe bet.

Following is the error stamp. In  1992 India Year Pack of commemorative stamps, the lowest value of the Birds of Prey set was discovered to be a 1 r. value, instead of 2 r. as generally issued. The 1 r. value also included the species description for the 6 r. value from the same set.

Left side stamp is GENUINE where as right side is FORGED copy of error stamp.


We see lot of FORGED 1948 India Gandhi mint stamps which makes me compare to Forged Indian Bird Prey stamp with error. Following are some FORGED 1948 India Gandhi stamps which are sold as copy, replica, proof and facsimile (even genuine, rare etc).


All of the above 1948 GANDHI stamps from India is FORGED (FAKE).

You will not able to believe it that following is the Forged stamp probably printed with help of high scanner or in China which is more easier than making forged Coach, Gucci purses or Rolex watches.!!

Seller "posthedge" from USA also mentioned it's FORGED.


Seller description of above stamp

" This type of forgery is nothing unusual - the 10Rs Gandhi stamp (the whole set actually) has been extensively forged. The forged SERVICE overprint is abundantly available. Even worse, there are many older genuine RPSL and BPA certificates (for the 10Rs Service stamp) that are floating and have been used to pass of forgeries.The red cross missing stamp and the bird of prey that recently appeared in auction houses were also determined to be fake when they were sent for certification after auction "

"One of the genuine stamps also has two certificates issued on it - which means a genuine certicate may be available to pass off a forgery. So it is not merely enough to buy a stamp with the certificate , but as always to ensure that the stamp belongs to the certificate and that the certificate itself is legitimate by writing to/emailing the BPA directly (as certificates have also been forged)."




Enlarge above screenshot to read about BPA and RPLS. !! It's amazing that expertising certificate are used to pass of forgeries.!!

But recently I saw similar stamp sold for $811 from Taiwan seller "vivistamp2009" even without mentioning that this is FORGED or GENUINE.  Only thing is that SEE THE SCAN.!!

Do you think this is a GENUINE stamp with error.? I don't think so as there are very less quantity available and it will not sell for $800 it might sold for higher price around $2000-$5000 (just my guess).!!

So what next time any seller can make it happen to $5000 by shill bidding (bidding with other account or philatelic friend might help the seller.!!)




I just gave you the point to think that what are the chances of FORGED stamp in British India Pre-Independence specially in King George Stamps and King Edward stamps.

So if you can find Forged 1948 Gandhi stamps and Forged 1992 Bird prey stamp with error then  what are the chances of other expensive British India stamps of King George V, King Edward and other Indian stamps which I mentioned in start of the blog post.

Please read following series of my blog post  to understand what is going on stamp collecting world specially in Indian Philatelic material with 1948 Gandhi stamps.


Thanks
Gandhi Stamps Club

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